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  Photography Forum: Darkroom Techniques Forum: 
  Q. Fuji NPH comes back with pink tinted prints?

Asked by Jenny Brown    (K=2859) on 6/23/2002 
I've been working with NPH off and on for a couple years, and having it developed at a variety of labs. Inevitably, outdoor pictures taken with it tint pink [mostly visible in white/gray areas]. Why? Is there anything I can do to help prevent this? It doesn't seem to occur indoors with flash, but is quite obvious outdoors with bright sunlight, such as against the vinyl siding on my house. Is this a reaction to ultraviolet light or something? It really throws off my colors outdoors.

The attached picture is an example; while not the most interesting of subjects it was the easiest way to demonstrate the problem. The scan is not exaggerating, that's how pink the print is.


    





 Jeroen Wenting  Donor  (K=25317) - Comment Date 6/24/2002
I've never seen that, despite shooting nearly 100 rolls of the stuff over the last year or so.
Processed by 2 labs, one using Kodak chemistry and paper and the other Agfa (haven't found a Fuji lab within convenient reach to try).
Some were even processed in supermarket labs and came back OK (prints were not as good, but passable).

Does the same also occur using other films? It could be you are using a filter or lens that introduces a color cast due to some unfortunate coating combination.





 Jenny Brown   (K=2859) - Comment Date 6/24/2002
I'm not using any filters at all. This only happens to me with NPH, not with Fuji Superia 400 or several other films I use [with the same cameras]. This happens for both my 35mm minolta stsi, with any lens, and medium format [an old TLR]. I've had the stuff sent to a Fuji lab via Sam's Club; I've had it developed locally at Colorfast and at a local pro camera shop. It comes back the same everywhere so far. The Fuji lab returns it on Fuji Crystal Archive [the cheap kind] and the local camera shop is all Kodak processes and paper. Both come out pink.

Alternatively if nobody knows what is causing this, could you recommend a mail order lab where I could get some developed, that you've had good experience with NPH at? I am willing to believe it's just the lab doing something odd, but would like a recommendation from someone whose NPH is turning out right.





 Bruce Wilson   (K=540) - Comment Date 6/28/2002
If you are using no filters, and your image is tinted using different lenses, then it must be a development or printing problem.

What puzzles me is why you say negative film has any particular tint. I mean, with that orange mask, who knows what color the image really is? It might be the film itself, or the pink (actually, faint magenta) could have gbeen introduced during printing. For all I know I may have gotten pink shots with NPH, but I would have added a bit more +magenta in the printing filter pack and forgotten it once I'd written it down. Every film & paper combination has its own filter pack which should be adjusted in the lab for neutral color rendering when printed. But if the minilab didn't have the NPH filter pack right (minus magenta) or used some Fuji film setting they thought was close, then you'd see it in every machine-made print. And I doubt the lab flunkie would have noticed it unless you mentioned it to the lab pro. I'd bet anything that the pro lab could diagnose the problem in no time, or even create a minilab filter pack setting just for you.





 Jenny Brown   (K=2859) - Comment Date 6/29/2002
The pink tinting is in white areas of the print; I'm not good enough to analyze for subtle tints in the neg visually. I'm planning to get some NPH taken of the same subjects printed by a mail order pro lab [really pro, as in, the customer service rep actually called to talk to me about what I wanted in my starter kit], and I'll see how it comes out there. I've been wanting to get properly color balanced prints anyhow and see how much of a difference actual pro developing and printing will make. And the cost is only a couple dollars more than the local camera shop.

I may still talk with the camera shop people and show them the pink tint and ask if anything can be done about it in their lab procedure. They're usually willing to talk about things.





 Bruce Wilson   (K=540) - Comment Date 6/30/2002
You know, the more I think about multiple labs all processing or printing the film wrong, the more I doubt that's the problem.

Maybe you are viewing the prints in a green room?





 Jenny Brown   (K=2859) - Comment Date 7/1/2002
Maybe you are not noticing my scanned example above?
Click on the example image to enlarge it; it distinctly shows the pink tint on the house siding. I'm quite certain this is not my scanner, either, as I can scan white papers just fine. I've scanned thousands of images in the past two years, and the scanner does fine with color.

The labs that have printed NPH for me so far include a couple of high-volume lowest-price mass consumer labs, and a local camera shop that's not really pro-level developing and printing services. They're cleaner than the mass market labs, but they don't provide color balancing services or anything else high end.

Is it actually difficult to print NPH correctly? Other films I've had seem to print adequately, if not all that sharp, by even lowest cost labs. I guess I'll see when I try a pro lab in the next week or two. I've got a roll almost ready to go.





 Derry Bryson   (K=177) - Comment Date 7/7/2002
I might suggest that the labs you have used don't know how to process NPH (not C-41 developing, but the printing) and probably other Fuji professional films as well. I haven't operated one of these print processors, but my understanding is that the operator selects a "channel" for a given film type when printing so that the machine knows how to adjust for the various film types. Fuji machines generally know how to process Fuji films (as well as others), but other machines may not be setup to handle the various Fuji films.

Assuming the above is correct, I would suggest finding a lab using Fuji equipment and/or lab that knows how to print NPH correctly.





 Michael John Banks   (K=2092) - Comment Date 10/26/2002
There are two possible reasons that I can think of for your pink cast. Either the film has not been stored in a refrigerator (NPH has no emulsion preservatives) or the film is getting warm in the camera. Since you are not getting the trouble with other films, I would say that the trouble is probably the film not being fresh, or being held too long before processing. Professional quality emulsions must be kept refrigerated and after exposure must be processed promptly.
I think the indoors--outdoors thing is more likely to be coincidence, but outdoors the camera is more likely to get warm. Colour emulsions once warmed up will produce a red colour cast, even if the film is then allowed to cool again.




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