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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/1/2007
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Hi Leora!
Sigh! I can only understand your sister very very well. Money rules, and it rule an in inhuman way.
As about that UFO... your parents only saw something that they were not able to understand. No specialized knowledge, thus no understanding, and thus belief, you see. It was a UFO in the plain sense of its abbreviation: *Unidentified* flying object. That was all.
Cheers,
Nick
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Leora Long
{K:11135} 10/31/2007
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I appreciate your thoughts, Nick.
Have you see a UFO? My parents did.
I will have to agree about banks because my sister worked part time and she was never the same afterwards. However, my nephew does computer systems and moves around and does quite well.
Regards, Lee
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/28/2007
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Oh no, don't be sad about the picture, Leora. Just see it as you see it. I describe what I wanted to do, but this is no kond of "rule" for you or anybody else about how to see it. It is the best thing that can happen to me having all those different personal views since it reveals how the image itself acts without any preoccupation with the situation at shooting time. It makes many things clear about some more objective perception that isn't influenced by anything else than the image itself. I can remember that time, but of course the spectator can't, and so he/she can only say what he/she sees.
And no need to apologize for anything. We all do it all the time, supplying our own "life wisdom" to others. So I guess it's only human and out of the wish to help somehow. (And I don't exclude myself at all.) We just have some partial view of things, then we fill the gaps out of our experience, memories, etc, and we proceed to general conclusions that sometimes can be right, and some other times wrong just because the filled in data for the gaps do not correspond to reality. Most of the time they lie somewhere inbetween. It makes us sometimes conlude too quickly, but it also has some good sides.
Imagine for example seeing some tiger and not having immediately the quick conclusion chain that a tiger *always* bites, out of what we know up to now, though perhaps strict logical evaluation of only the available facts of this one encounter might lead to some other conclusion. If our ancestors were thinking this way mankind might as well end up as vanished species on the lunch table of tigers some thousands of years ago.
The bad sides are also present. Like for example when somebody sees something on the night sky, checks all memories and knowledge that he/she has about flying things, realizes then that he/she cannot find some explanation out of the own knowledge, and proceeds to the conclusion that of course not having the knowledge to understand that means automatically that this must be ET.
So that kind of "interference" seems to be built-in to us all. Perhaps out of the wish for a good advice for somebody.
Anyway, good advices do not seem to apply in cases of dealing with banks and similar only profit oriented institutions. Except of course for the good advice to get away from them as soon as possible. They bite harder than tigers. ;-)
Cheers,
Nick
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Leora Long
{K:11135} 10/26/2007
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It is a compelling story, but you still have not convinced me to be sad about the picture...I like it and I like the title.
I apologize if it sounded like I was interfering in your routine. I thought you might still be stuck in a rut and I knew nothing about your passion for your new work. Enjoy!
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/25/2007
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I did really enjoy it yesterday night and I still enjoy it today, Andre! I'll have to buy one copy for myself.
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/25/2007
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Hmmm, strange how most people don't want to interfere but they so interfere at the end, ehen it comes to "theoretical wisdoms about life" isn't it Leora? ;-)
As already said, this is a series that I did some years ago, while I was working for a bank. There was absolutely nothing positive about it but only the need to do it, or else I couldn't survive. Not everybody can always do what he/she considers good. Despite that I stopped working for them and in general for any business oriented company and returned to science.
Now on for a real world calculation. At that time I had to travel 3 to 3.5 hours from home to the job and another 3 to 3.5 hours back home from the job. And I couldn't move to some other places nearer the office. Add the 10-11 hours of work everyday, and another 3-4 hours of travelling and participating to meetings, and soon you have 19-22 hours of daily run. Since the day has unfortunately only 24 hours and even I have to sleep at some time of the day, there is really not much sense in any 10 minutes break. And they do not hire you for making breaks when it comes to an emergency project in a bank, believe me! ;-)
As about proper eating and excercize, I never cared for that and that's why I don't have any problems with health. If I have my science and what I do with ehthusiasm, I can live on junk, smoke and drink.
Cheers,
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/24/2007
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Hi Nick,
I think you might want to get a copy for yourself eventually. The images have a haunting, lasting effect. I hope you enjoy it.
Andre
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Leora Long
{K:11135} 10/24/2007
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There must be some positive side to it or you would not keep doing it. Are you traveling 3 hours each way?
You need to fight the fatigue with proper eating and exercize. Can you fit that in? It might change your perspective or give you the energy to change your job.
Don't mean to interfere, if you are going to stay with the status quo, but you have to arrange to fit some joy into your schedule - even if it is a 10 minute break to have a treat.
Your friend, Lee
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/24/2007
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And this is what makes them so approachable for so many people, I think, Andre. Their universality! It is exactly those common things, I guess, that make us identify with the depicted scene. A spectacular waterfall somewhere in the jungle is so far away, but a busstop... hey I know that! Tha's two steps from my place.
Guess now which book I found in the library and I'm going to take a look at by a nice good old scotch in the night! ;-)
Thanks a lot agaon for the recommendation!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/24/2007
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Well, Leora, when travelling as a tourist, or for something else one likes, then one can do many things in then train too. I prefer mathematics and physics.
But waking up everyday at 4:00, travelling about 3 hours to work, working until late in the night, travelling back and reaching home at midnight is something else. And if the job is also something completely boring and senseless but something that one still has to do only for surviving, then the only thing that exists is fatigue and the wish to get lost - to just disconnect from everything.
Cheers,
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/23/2007
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Yes Nick,
Above all, the one that I recommend "Family Of Man" is such a great example of showing the universality of "Man" There are pages devoted to birth, death, dance, war, music etc. etc. The images are amazingly universal.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/23/2007
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Thank you very much for the idea with the library, Andre! Then I'll have to visit the next one and see if they have it there.
As about old Photo Annuals, well yes, I've seen several of them, as I have the luck to live quite near a café that is more or less the usual place of meeting other photo enthusiasts. They have a tremendous amount of such images there and also a big collection of such annuals, especially about the historical development of Lucerne. Extremely interesting! And they have their very good connections to the archive of the city, where they can borrow even more for the visitors of the café to look at. Those old photos are real treasures!
Nick
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Leora Long
{K:11135} 10/23/2007
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I like to travel, but if it got boring, I would dive into a fashion magazine or a book...although Vogue has some pretty dark stuff in it these days.
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/23/2007
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I meant to say Nick...
Those kinds of books are priceless for inspiration. Also any old Photo Annuals are just full of fantastic images that in most cases are full of super high quality of the like that can only be found in maybe 3% or 4% of the images on this kind of website.
I'm sure you already know that. :)
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/23/2007
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Hi Nick,
You might even find that book at the library. It is quite famous.
"The Family Of Man" exhibition.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/22/2007
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Hi Lee!
I believe that great art should also be powerful enough for a well defined message, but there will be always the place for some movement, which is good for enrichment of the mental horizont. So I can only read the different interpretations with great interest, as they indicate something about the impression that the image gives, and of course much more about the being, the experiences, the character of the spectator.
Travelling trough any place as a tourist ist way different than having to commute in a rather routined way of fatigue, and thus perhaps the different impressions. The kind of touristic "memories" is not as interesting to me for this series since I rather stay on reality and its implications, which in turn may be also imaginary but still about the everyday with all its hardness. So it's a surprise to read about touristic impressions, but a surprise that makes clear how different the same route can seem to a traveller for fun and to a worker that can't keep the eyes open. ;-)
Cheers,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/22/2007
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Thank you very much for the info, Andre! I'll have to buy that book too! It sounds really interesting both for photography at itself and for a concept, a theme of photography.
Nick
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Leora Long
{K:11135} 10/20/2007
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Yes, Nick. Interesting to me, too. I gave you my first reaction, because I would love to ride along into the sunset looking at such a scene.
Then I read your interpretation and I thought it must have meant something very different to you.
I believe the purpose of great art is to make it and let it go and then it belongs to everyone. You are no longer in control.
I traveled through Europe on a Eurail Pass so train travel has had its good points for me.
Glad I could surprise you, your friend, Lee
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/20/2007
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Well said Nick!
One of the first books of photography that I bought back when I first got interested in photography was a book of images from an exhibition called "The Family of Man". The exhibition was put together by Edward Steichen in 1955 for the New York Museum of Modern Art. 503 images from 68 countries. This is considered by many to be one of the best photo exhibits of all time and it certainly has the theme of all humans being together in one big pot of soup.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/19/2007
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Yes, to me that's the main purpose of such a forum, Andre! It can get exciting far beyond the usual "nice photo" comments to see what other people have to say about an image. It is real enrichment for the own perception and in a further step for understanding each other, how we see the world, what we think, feel, and all the like. It is invaluable for really reaching each other, and who knows - perhaps also helping us all to understand that we.. just all participate in a big theater play, each one with the own role but still boiling in the same pot of soup named "life on this world", as my grandfather used to say. ;-)
Cheers,
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/19/2007
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Hi Nick,
That's one of the best things about this forum. I always enjoy reading how people "see" my images. I also like to read the comments on other people's images that I am interested in. I usually write my comments first before I read the others, so I don't get too influenced by another interpretation. Not always though.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/18/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice and detaield comment, Andre, which tells me much about how this image is seen. I find it really interesting that the views of several people converge so strongly to the opposite direction than my own view was.
The openness that you talk about is certainly there, but my intention was to use it for enhancing the emptyness of a world that didn't make any sense to me at those times. It was like looking and thinking - so what?
I can only be glad for such a discrepancy between my intention and the caused impression, since it invites me to re-think about some things, like for example about the inclusion of the sun as a symbol for the good things to come. For me it was another unimportant detail. The whole scene was for me rather the view of what is passing by while being on the train that would bring somebody to some gulag.
What an interesting thing this exchange of minds can be!
Thanks a lot again and all the best.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/17/2007
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I like this one too Nick.
I think the composition is not as claustrophobic as some of the other train shots in the chaotic city. There is an open feel to it that gives us the impression of looking forward to a new trip. I think Dave and Mervo also expressed similar feelings "hope and new day"
The speed is still there and we are moving into the sun, which is usually a metaphor for good things to come.
There is some nice subtle motion blur in this one too.
Also the tracks taking up a small percentage of the image works well in this case.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/17/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Leora!
But I didn't quite get you. What you mean is the "why people take train"?
Anyway, my intention was not to make it beautiful but rather empty and hopeless - in the sense of the series about a life on the run. So it is intriguing to know that it can still cause the exact opposite of what I was intending to do.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/17/2007
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Molte grazie per il bel commento, Simone!
Nick
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Leora Long
{K:11135} 10/16/2007
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This is why people take trains, Nick. Beautiful.
Something new....
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/16/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Mervo! When I made that there was only a very hopeless mood in the sense of yet another meaningless day. So I couldn't see anything special around.
But it is so interesting to see the differnt view that you present. May I assume that it is the light and the rising sun that suggest hope to you?
Cheers,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/16/2007
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Thank you very much for the enthusiastic comment, Luis! I try my best to keep it up!
As about the glass, well, as long as it is transparent I can try shooting through! ;-)
All the best,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/16/2007
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Grazie per il bel commento, Claudia!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/16/2007
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Indeed!
And thus?
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/16/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Dave!
Actually my own mood was quite the opposite, that is, "yet another empty day", but it is very interesting to see how differently images may be perceived by somebody else.
All the best,
Nick
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Simone Tagliaferri
{K:28180} 10/16/2007
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Bella. Splendidi i colori!
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Mervo
{K:8643} 10/16/2007
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Nice lines, nice feeling of coldness yet there is hope in this image!
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luis pereira
{K:26013} 10/15/2007
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Not even a 2" thick glass will stop you.I like the effect the glass put into the image. Don't let the speeding train stop you. Keep on posting my friend.
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Claudia Perilli
{K:31090} 10/15/2007
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Molto bella Nick! Molto bella la composizione e la luce.
Claudia
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Fabio Keiner
{K:81109} 10/15/2007
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and faster in motion
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Dave Stacey
{K:150877} 10/15/2007
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I like this shot of the rising sun, Nick! It gives the idea of traveling into a new day and new beginnings.
Dave.
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