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Photographer Nick Karagiaouroglou  Nick Karagiaouroglou {Karma:127263}
Project #23 Objects Camera Model Canon T70
Categories Portrait
Film Format 24x36
Portfolio Lens Canon FD 70-210mm 1:4.0 macro
Uploaded 3/29/2008 Film / Memory Type Kodak  Royal Supra
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Location City -  Florence
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Country - Italy   Italy
About Taken with more reference to observing the own "I" neutrally, than with reference to sculpture as a work of art. In other words, we are what we are, but do we know what we are? Or do we pass self-perception through the own filters of "good" and "bad", on the try to convert the picture on the mirror to some wannabe ideal? Can there be an absolutely true self-reference at all, when the observing mind needs criteria for the understanding, and when these criteria are constructed by the observing mind itself? ;-)

On the image itself, what about the trees at the bottom left? They disturb a bit, don't they? And what about exposure, coloring, etc?

I'd be very glad for any critiques/comments/ideas and so on.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/6/2008
Oh yes! Directing us all into the next pub, of course only for working on another scene of the movie! ;-)

We rename it to "The Whisk-goyles" or what? ;-)

Cheers!

Nick

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Avi  Avi     {K:70138} 4/5/2008
ohh come on, you gotta be the DIRECTOR !!

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/5/2008
Great! So we are already three, namely: Avi "the movie", Visar "the Visor", and Nick the... whatever, for the project! ;-)

Cheers!

Nick

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Avi  Avi     {K:70138} 4/4/2008
well I liked your 'finishing touch' best !!! I'm coming...

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/3/2008
Yes, Avi, Michelangelo spent a lot of his lifetime in Florence, but also in Venice, Bologna, Rome, etc. And indeed all of theses great cities carry many of his signatures, but Florence... Florence is something else. Much like Barcelona as a signature of Gaudi, or Miró.

Micheangelo's kind of dedication is a prerequisite for any artistic work, as you say, but unfortunately many too many here think that arts is something you do by "playing on accidental grace of fate" in PS. ;-) If we aren't able to get obsessed and forget about everything else while we do what we do, then we just scratch the surface, much like aristocratic sons and daughters that sit on luxury armchairs during teatime and demonstrate their ignorance by celebrating each other's "lovely" images that they took in some of their "cosmopolitan" journeys. (And while somebody else was working for their ultra-expensive equipment ;-))

So let's get obsessed, ey? Hmmm, that movie, that movie... Tell me when you decide to spend some days in Florence, OK? IF you are there, then I'm your man! And don't forget also that Florence has extremely nice pubs!!! ;-)

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/3/2008
Thanks a lot, Hoda!

Nick

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Avi  Avi     {K:70138} 4/2/2008
Michaelangelo was from Florence himself, right ? I got my history jumbled up. :) I have stood in awe looking at his work for ages... his passion with anatomy is exemplary, and teaches us the level of devotion one can attach to his work !

Yes, very VERY interesting piece, and I am absolutely with you.. if I were there, even I would take shots of this one rather than the original David.

As for our 'gargoyle' movie.. I am already thinking on it.. :)

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/2/2008
Oh yes, it is! It is a very interesting "replica" of the head of David by Michelangelo and it stands in a park (Giardino die Boboli, if I remember well) in Florence.

I find it even more interesting than the original sculpture, since perfect David got his crackles! The inherent presence of imperfection as the only possibility to do something at all.

Cheers!

Nick

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hoda .m hoda .m   {K:2523} 4/2/2008
nice exposure and texture ,
well done Nick...

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/1/2008
Thanks a lot again, Claudia!

Your version goes towards what I would like to have too, namely the rather pure image of only the sculpture and the sky. (But I want to have the whole of the sculpture.) And I find your coloring good too - it brings something "ancient" into my mind.

Nick

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Avi  Avi     {K:70138} 4/1/2008
I meant is it a piece of sculpture ? I wasn't sure..

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Claudia Perilli Claudia Perilli   {K:31090} 3/31/2008
Very nice shot... view my version http://www.usefilm.com/Image.asp?ID=1313996

;)

Claudia

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/31/2008
Kiarang, this should be the normal conclusion for everybody, shouldn't it? I think that this doesn't make me to some philosopher.

Anyway, thanks a lot!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/31/2008
Yes, that was a trip to Florence some years ago, Avi. Quite my starting time in photography.

Errrm, asked me something, I guess because of the question mark, but I can't decipher what about. :-/ You mean the sculpture or perhaps the place or...??

Cheers!

Nick

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Kiarang Alaei Kiarang Alaei   {K:49415} 3/30/2008
This means a lot:
"most of the time the simple things tell me more than I can tell through them"
you are a philasopher!

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/30/2008
Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Kiarang!

Surely I look around, and most of the time the simple things tell me more than I can tell through them.

Cheers!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/30/2008
Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Ilir!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/30/2008
Thanks a lot again, Vandi!

Cheers!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/30/2008
Perhaps, Gustavo. Perhaps that too.

Thanks a lot for the nice comment!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/30/2008
Many thanks Afsaneh!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/30/2008
Thanks a lot for the nice and detailed comment, Julie! The coloring and details are OK to me too. And as also Jen and Dave said, it seems that the trees are not disturbing. But as a "Thought experiment" I tried to clone them off, in order to see if the missing reference to anything "real" could raise the impact. (Attachment)

Well, it didn't really went the way I thought. I guess that the color of the sky at the bottom left suggests already that the head is on earth and not in that kind of "vacuum" that I was thinking of. Jen's suggestion would indeed work for leaving the trees out, though it still wouldn't enhance anything as strongly. And so In start thinking of trying the same shot the way Jen suggested but at some other time of the day perhaps with a more uniform deeper blue of the sky.

Thanks a lot and cheers!

Nick

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(Very imperfectly) cloned off the trees for a better view of the image without the trees.


Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/30/2008
Hi Dave and thanks a lot for the nice and ecouraging comment!

As Jen said, I could lie on the ground and shoot to leave them out, but I am glad of course if they do not seem detracting to you. Well, to me they are also not as heavily detracting, but without them the face would be in total sky blue - in vacuum, space, whatever. I imagine that the missing reference to anything "from this world" could give it some more impact.

Cheers!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 3/30/2008
But for me it has to be perfect, Jen, though I know that it will never be. It's just for making some steps towards that "ideal" state, and thus improving the own work a bit. So I am very grateful for your idea of how to not include the trees! This would be the only way during shooting time, I guess! And this would perhaps also make a more dramatic perspective! Thanks a lot!

Cheers!

Nick

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Avi  Avi     {K:70138} 3/30/2008
You've been travelling, I see. Intriguing piece of sculpture (?)..

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Kiarang Alaei Kiarang Alaei   {K:49415} 3/29/2008
Well,
a thoughtful shot, because of the texture.
isn't easy to just visit the thumbnail and no open it.
the shot is telling a history:
maybe the life and the story of every ones.
i like the way you look arround:simplicity and the words you tell just with your camera!

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Ilir Xhemsiti Ilir Xhemsiti   {K:4285} 3/29/2008
Great shot my friend,...excellent,...

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Vandy Neculae Vandy Neculae   {K:7990} 3/29/2008
Great details.
Excellent exposure.

Vandi

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Gustavo Scheverin Gustavo Scheverin   {K:164501} 3/29/2008
Genial!, qué perfil!, mmmm, un autorretrato (selftportrait) tal vez?....:-)

7/7
Un abrazo!

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Afsaneh Sarvghaddi Afsaneh Sarvghaddi   {K:2780} 3/29/2008
Nice shot dear Nick...
7/7

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Julie Salles Julie Salles   {K:22654} 3/29/2008
I really like this one Nick, the angle is wonderful and the details on the sculpture are superb. The trees? yeah I could see the image jump a notch if they were not there but they don't disturb as much as you may think. The cloud I actually think adds to this image, in my eyes makes me think of the statue thinking very hard that "smoke" was coming out of his head...haha :)
The color is great, I wouldn't change it at all.
Best,
Julie.

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Dave Stacey Dave Stacey   {K:150877} 3/29/2008
Very good capture of the texture and detail of this statue, Nick! I think the trees are fine there. I imagine it would be very hard to compose the shot without them there, but I don't think they detract from the image.
Dave.

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Jen van Wijn Jen van Wijn   {K:24075} 3/29/2008
Excellent dear Nick, the perspective and crackles in it, very detailed!! Can we fix this? Maybe you could have lay down to get the trees out? Or get the cloud out, or all the cracks..loll I love the natural weather colours of the face...and for me it hasnt to be perfect, let others who have a better eye decide that:) Have a great day, hugs Jen

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