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Ahmed Ismail
{K:19853} 6/16/2007
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Another fine ibex shot! A very nice composition!
Regards, Ahmed
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/12/2007
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Thanks Kevin!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/12/2007
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So it may seem Luis . . . but NOT so! LoL! Thanks for the comment!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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KEVIN TEMPLE
{K:8657} 4/10/2007
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good work
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luis pereira
{K:26013} 3/29/2007
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I like the way you aproach nature and outdoors. In this case a just a little to close. This guy seems like he has encounter you before.
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Srna Stankovic
{K:172232} 3/24/2007
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I am sure in your decision, it would be the best :)
Do not ever forget ;) !!!
Hug
Srna
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/23/2007
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LoL! Tough choice. WAY ahead of you Dear Sue . . .
http://www.usefilm.com/image/1279263.html
I tried that on the 19th . . .
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/23/2007
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Thanks very much Sue and I should like to point out that you're 100% right. The two are very close but the color doesn't really add much . . . where the texture (wet rock) and form (perfect rule of thirds composition) are emphasized a tad in B&W. Both have issues in separating the subject from the BG and it's, frankly, just a difficult image to work.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/23/2007
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Thanks Srna . . . I think the B&W . . . but - well, you know. I think if I had not given a color image to compare with and perhaps burned the horn tips in a tad it would have worked just fine. Once people see the color . . . there will always be the mind trying to choose but IF they had not seen it . . . who knows? Of course, my goal here was to get opinions and that I did . . . Like you . . . it's really a tough decision for me (and likely for many) and the choice is very close.
Warm Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Oh! Almost forgot . . .
;)
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Quix Photography
{K:20204} 3/22/2007
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Actually... looking again I find I really do like the colour one... though you are right in the colours being too close to the animals, they really are nice colours & do blend in well.
Maybe you could do a bit of PS magic & use selective colouring to B&W the background against the goat... however, I do like how this photo shows how animals can nicely blend into their surroundings :)
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Quix Photography
{K:20204} 3/22/2007
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Ahhh... what a fantastic photo Doyle :) I have this thing about goats now :) & although this one is not sticking his tongue out it's definately a fantastic catch & you could not have asked for a better background here. Love the colour also but think the B&W is my marginal favourite of the two :)
Now must get back to reading your comment in the forum... hope you are well & bright x
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Srna Stankovic
{K:172232} 3/22/2007
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The coloured one for my eyes :) ... warmer ... :)
but still B/W is good Doyle ...:)
You would decide at the end :)
Hug
Srna
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/20/2007
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Thanks Marian!!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/20/2007
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Thanks Michele . . . the three were the B&W you commented on here . . . the color original with the natural BG included in the comments . . . and the hue shift / partial de-sat BG on the v2.0 version. Sorry to be confusing but, to your credit, I got the information I needed anyway! LoL! I'm reminded of the absent minded Professor jokes I enjoyed as a child . . . they may understand Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity but they can't find the car keys (in their lunch bag) and are confused when they find a sandwich in their coat pocket!!!
Thanks for the time and attention you provided me for this Ibex issue!!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Marian Man
{K:80636} 3/20/2007
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color for this one dear Doyle!!!!
great capture!!! seems like he is posing for you!!!!
all the best
Marian
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Michele Carlsen
{K:146013} 3/20/2007
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Hi Doyle,
I am getting a bit confused ... since I thought I'd already commented on this one--but maybe there is a slight difference(?)
Oh wait you mean your new colored version ..Yep I commented BUT I didn't compare it to the original , & the BW ...Ok now I think I've got it.
The original was good- for the animal as it camofluged the animal well--but not so good for us to view because of that...
The one you have posted now with the changes I like the best...but because it is much easier to view the Ibex. I don't think it looks fake at all...
It seems like I am missing one image of comparison-- and I'm sorry if I am... I will look back . I really like the fake one--but it DOES NOT LOOK FAKE ---I am not kidding .
Seriously,
Michele~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/20/2007
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You're very nice Iman!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/20/2007
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Hugo:
Thanks very much for the in-depth evaluation and critical analysis. I burned and cropped the lower right . . . restored color, partially desaturated the BG and shifted the hue of the BG. I would very much appreciate a fresh look. I know you have limited time and I'm grateful for the time you already spent . . . but . . . IF you could . . . :)
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/20/2007
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Michele . . . I had considered a BG hue change and gentle (partial) desat so that the color would not match the animal so closely. I have posted a version that way and would LOVE your thoughts on it, particularly as it compares to the original or the B&W. I'm concerned it looks too fake. Your opinion?
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Iman Fouad
{K:12295} 3/19/2007
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Very nice composition,would prefer the coloured one but still B/W is good.thanks Doyle i enjoyed this time with your exellent captured.
Iman
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Shirley D. Cross-Taylor
{K:174040} 3/19/2007
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:):):)
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 3/19/2007
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Hi Doyle,
I've been looking at this photo for quite some time, and I don't really know what to think. That's not necessarily a bad thing (in most cases it isn't) but that's what I've been thinking about in this photo.
What I like about it:
The even, and non-descriptive background, as well as the v-shaped compostion; drawing the viewers' eye towards the animal. The composition follows the rule of thirds nicely, and and the view its'elf is rather unusual, which I do think is a +.
What I don't like so much:
I think the image quality can be improved upon; the shadows as well as the highlights (lower right) are just a bit too much, and block out the details and definition in those parts. Then, I think the B&W conversion is just a tad rough; the horns blend in with the background, where I think you could easily let them stand out a bit more.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Michele Carlsen
{K:146013} 3/19/2007
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Hi Doyle, I just got home from a week-end trip. Now I am off to work in 20 minutes but will be online all afternoon and evening and would LOVE to hear about your idea for this great shot--and share my thoughts with YOu !!
See You then I am hoping :))
Best wishes,
Michele~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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HEHEheheheee - Touche-ayyyy . . . Ok . . . I'm confessing to blond-ishness too! I see what you saw now! Before you ask . . . he's not eating Rocky Road Ice Cream either! LoL!
I'm not buying the "...vitout z brain" nonsense either - I'm not THAT blond! :)
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Annemette Rosenborg Eriksen
{K:55244} 3/19/2007
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Nooooo a "blonde joke"!...which reminds me aren`t you yourself blondish, Mr. Chastain?!;-)Takes one to know one I think you say in English..hehe
Anyway I thought you said sth. about a pass in the Rockies - I now see that I misread it slightly;-)It must be the blonde issue..
Take care
Z blonde viking vitout z brain
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Thanks Dave . . . the more I think about it the more I wonder why that didn't occur to me sooner! I'll likely give it a shot after work today!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Thank you Nessa . . . I always value your opinion (especially when I asked for it). Your view apparently represents the majority here so I'm considering reworking a color version. :)
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Da las gracias muy mucho Alicia. . . ¡. Es siempre tan bueno oír de usted!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Dear Annemette:
This guy lives in the Himalayas (hence the name) and not the Rockies. Uhhhh . . . you ARE blonde, aren't you! LoL! So it was at the zoo . . . but it may as well have been the Rockies because the place is full of hills. In fact . . . everywhere you go is uphill! Sometimes you have to walk (remember, they only have uphill at this zoo) hundreds of feet before you can buy a beverage. And they don't even sell single malt, 12 year old Scotch!!!! But you know me . . . I'll rough it for good photo opportunities!!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Ace my brother! Hope it's all going well for you . . . Always glad to hear from you!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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One more thing John:
Considering a cooling hue change and partial desat of the BG to contrast his warm color with a cooler BG . . . try it or move on?
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Dave Stacey
{K:150877} 3/19/2007
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Hi Doyle, I thinks a hue change in the rock would probably do it, just to move the colour away from the so similar colour of the ibex.
Dave.
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Thanks John . . . I completely agree and, therefore, your analysis is brilliant! LoL!
The textures and forms were pronounced in the B&W and the BG issue was the same in both . . . so I saw no real advantage in the color. Of course, we're in the minority here! I have a sense that many people always prefer color anyway and have noticed there is a marked preference (generally) to color wherever a choice is offered (Recall my SF cityscapes). Still, the strength of this site and in cultivating honest evaluations is that you do get some feedback that can be very helpful . . . particularly if you have a few willing to toss in the 'BS' flag on you! :)
And no, I doubt I upset him . . . he was eating and I think he was serious about continuing to eat . . . and I have a feeling that it wouldn't have been a good idea to try to take his food. :)
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Robin . . .
First off . . . I could TOO trek through the Himalayas!! In fact . . . I could downright traipse through Tibet and saunter up the slopes of Everest (or K2, or whatever the heck they call that big snow covered rock they have over there). And I WOULD too! But, unfortunately . . . I have responsibilities HERE. So I will content myself feeding my birds and knowing I COULD if I wanted too! :)
Secondly . . . you do a pretty good Billy Crystal impression with nothing more than a keyboard. Wow.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
PS: ROTFLMAO - No . . . judging from the thickness of the 'fur' I'd have to say the soulder was downright warm and he didn't know I was there! ;)
DDC I
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Goeden-middag Riny . . . uhhhhh . . . typo . . . I didn't MEAN to call you Tiny!! LoL!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Tiny mijn vriend . . . Thanks.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Soft? Oh. Yeah, he's furry . . . just not the horns! LoL! I know, I know . . . :)
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Thanks Lisa . . . I may post a color version with a BG hue change and partial desat . . . You're in the majority with the color preference.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Thanks Jan:
As has been pointed out . . . there is the same BG problem either way but as I mentioned to Dave . . . The B&W emphasizes the texture (and esp. the wet stone on the right side). That gave (to me) a plus absent from the color, though we are in the minority here. Still, I'm seriously considering a re-work with hue change and partial desat for the BG . . . cool BG color v warm colored Ibex . . . We'll have to see. :)
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
PS: Excellent analysis . . . you picked up on the form and texture differences. (Of course, I'm biased since you agreed with me and NOW I see the kind of guys you hang around with too! LoL!)
He was actually eating and not telling jokes . . . Dang it! I SHOULD have told him that Rabbi, Priest, Minister, Ibex joke!! It's not often you see an Ibex rolling on the stone floor and laughing his horns off! Woulda' made a great shot! :)
DDC I
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Thanks ever so much Grasshopper! I asked Dave a question regarding something I'm considering doing with this shot and would really like to know your thoughts on that too! (If you have a moment).
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Thanks Dave . . . I appreciate the eye you have . . . and I agree - the issue isn't 100% resolved. I DO think, however, that the wet stone surface on the right is a tad more obvious in the B&W (B&W does seem better at conveying texture in some cases) and since, as you say, there is the same issue either way I had opted to at least pull out the gritty texture and wet surface using B&W . . . . although most people seem to prefer the color (as I think they often do). I am considering a hue and partial desat for the BG . . . maybe to blue stone (very pale) to see the warm colors of the Ibex v. the cool colors of the BG. What do you think? Try it or move on?
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/19/2007
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Debra:
Thanks very much for the comment . . . It seems your opinion is pretty much a majority view on the color v. B&W issue. The 70-300mm? LOVE it!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
PS: There is no tree on the right . . . both sides are stone. ;)
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vanessa shakesheff
{K:68840} 3/19/2007
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I prefer the colour doyle ..i think it is warmer and perhaps a little more detail imo..nessa
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Alicia Popp
{K:87532} 3/19/2007
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Excelente retrato!!!
Muy buena luz que realza las texturas... impresionante la trnsparencia del ojo!
Felicitaciones!
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Annemette Rosenborg Eriksen
{K:55244} 3/18/2007
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I love the coloured version of this image, Doyle, with the tonal range of warm earthcolours. Very nice composition. The Ibex looks at you quite seriously. Did you have this encounter in the Rockies or at the zoo?;-)
Best wishes
Annemette
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Ace Star
{K:21040} 3/17/2007
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beautiful shot and B&W conversion Doyle :)
excellent work brother
wish you all the best
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AJ Miller
{K:49168} 3/17/2007
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I prefer the B&W - the colour version looks just a little too yellowy brown for my taste, and I don't find the colour adds to the image. He looks very serious. Did you upset him?
AJ
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Robin W
{K:16308} 3/17/2007
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Doyle, my vote goes for the color version...and for the same reasons as Debra. B&W seems a bit dark, at least on my monitor. I like the "natural" setting...it does look as if you happened upon the Ibex while trekking through the Himalayas...yeah right, YOU trekking through the Himalayas! ;)
Oh, one more thing...you look maaaah-vel-ous today.
Take care...Robin
ps...do you think his shoulder was cold? Doesn't seem so.
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Riny Koopman
{K:102911} 3/17/2007
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Goeden-middag mijn beste vriend,Beautiful work Doyle....Both version are wonderful.....Personally I prefer the color one because of the contrast and warm colour!! Riny
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Shirley D. Cross-Taylor
{K:174040} 3/17/2007
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I like the color best, too, but I like them both. It does seem a bit soft.
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So Cal Photograhper
{K:18529} 3/17/2007
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I'd have to say I prefer the color version over the B & W.
I think the Himalayan Ibex stands out more in the color version.
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Jan Hoffman
{K:39467} 3/17/2007
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Doyle -- I prefer the "grittiness" of the black & white and the de-emphasis of color and more attention to form and texture. Doesn't it look like this guy is slightly smiling? Were you telling him funny travelling Ibex stories. Then there was the one about the rabbi, the priest, a minister and an Ibex.......
--Best to you, Jan
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Michele Carlsen
{K:146013} 3/17/2007
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Hi Doyle,
I have to agree with Debra and Dave both for the same reasons, same problem either way and I like the color better... Great shot tho!!
Best Wishes,
Michele~
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Dave Stacey
{K:150877} 3/17/2007
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Good shot of the ibex, Doyle! I think you've got the same problem with the background colour in both but I prefer the colour as well. He seems to stand out a litlle better, especially the horns.
Dave.
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Debra Garside
{K:2869} 3/17/2007
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Hi Doyle, I like the color version better, it is warm and interesting. I would prefer to crop more of the tree on the right. How do you like the 70-300mm? Regards, Debra
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/16/2007
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I have attached a color version. I decided primarily to convert this as the wet rock became accented much more after conversion and the BG colors were too close to the animals colors in the original. What do you think?
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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