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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 2/5/2007
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Wow, I wish you all success with Daimler Chrysler, Andre!
I didn't think about that fading memory induced by an image that seems to break apart, but now that you say that I see what you mean, and yes, it does have to do with that very strongly. Just like trying to "reconstruct" some picture that is fading in mind.
Thank you for the thought and the idea!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 2/4/2007
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Hi Nick,
Thankfully, I don't have to travel for work very often. In this case, we had no choice. It was a good opportunity for us to try and get some buisness from Daimler Chrysler in Detroit.
A similar meaning I suppose. Maybe more like "old times" Longing for the past, or sending us into a reflective mood. This might come about with heavy grain because you can get the impression of an image breaking up or breaking apart. This could also give the feeling of a fading memory. Something not quite solid. ??
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 2/4/2007
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Hi Andre and welcome back!
I hope your trip was nice though I also know that sometimes business trips can get quite tiresome.
Andre, what do you mean by "end times"? If you use the term in the way I understand it - in the sense of that special kind of.. silence, emptyness, or even the strange atmosphere where everything seems to be Ok and nothing really is, then I must say that I do have the same impressions towards grain effect. But do you mean it that way?
Have a nice... rest of the weekend.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 2/4/2007
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Hi Nick,
Just back from a little buisness trip.
Yes I agree, with your assessment of the feel of the grain effect from high iso film. We get a nice nostalgia effect. "old fashioned" / "end times"
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/30/2007
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I like the higher ISOs of B&W because of their extremely hard contrasts under high light conditions and because of their way to make things grainy under low light conditions. They seem to me rather "old fashioned" and I find that very fascinating. Some of the photos I made with such fimlms had something that resembled almost... "end times". A very strange atmosphere!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 1/30/2007
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Hi Nick,
As far as I know Kodak Tri-x pan 400 asa is still available. I started using this film years ago and stuck with it. There is a compromise in quality with the high asa of 400 that traslates into high grain. But a lot of people love that effect. The main reason why I used it a lot was because it was really good in low light conditions.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/29/2007
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Is that kind of film still available? I would like to try it out. I find that quite a susprise that my favorite B&W film is also a 400. (Kodak professional BW400CN).
Well, it's hard to define what is perfect. From the strictly "depictive" point of view, perfect is what depicts the world without any distortions. But in this sense many too many photos would be simply eliminated that are really excellent.
On the other hand, even digital does distort - take for example some ultra-saturated sunset which has never been this way in reality.
So we see, neither this kind of perfectness is "wishable", nor is digital perfect. And both things are OK to me - I don't consider them as disadvantages.
Once again I return to the analogy to music. When the best guitarists perform, when they are on stage or in the studio, you hear them playing Marshals, and MesaBoogies, and Laneys, and all that is old analog tube technology. Eddie Van Halen was once asked why he never uses digital delay but that oly Soundplex instead. And he said in his inmmitable way: "Because I hate that digital stuff. It doesn't sound the way I want it to sound." One can understand what he meant by taking a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7P3UDkxyOA . He plays at a much lower level that the other guys and still his analog sound articulates through all that digital sound wall. Just listen to that "Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhh" at the start - hey nothing digital here! ;-)
Not that the analog technology is some kind of "magic" - not at all. But its' measurable benefits have been forgotten, it seems. And one of them is simply: Responsiveness. Analog equipment will still respond in cases where digital doesn't do anything because some treshold value wasn't reached. Even smallest changes of input are still "detectable" on output.
Which reminds me of another guitarist, Rory Gallagher, who once said: "I prefer equipment that also at low levels of input... still... does something." Let's think about that.
Excuse me for being too long here - such subjects will always make me enthusiastic.
Best wishes and have a nice day,
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 1/28/2007
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Hi Nick,
I agree with you that the digital conversions don't have the same kind of effect as silver nitrate film. You can get very close to the same sort of effect with some small manipulations. I mostly used Kodak Tri-x 400 asa. When I do a digital conversion, I usually try to make it as close to the style of my Tri-x prints.
I'm usually happy with the results, but the conventional prints just seem to have some extra richness to them that is hard to explain. I've heard some people say that the digital images are almost too perfect.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/28/2007
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Molti ringraziamenti, Simone!
Nick
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Simone Tagliaferri
{K:28180} 1/28/2007
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Splendida anche questa foto. complimenti.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/27/2007
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You're welcome, Joe!
Unfortunately no way to photograph that. But if we only could do... Especially the past, the proto-earth would be such a subject!
Best wishes,
Nick
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Joe Brown
{K:23213} 1/27/2007
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Great links Nick. Thanks. That's what I meant by only one continent. Not something I will be photographing. :)
All the best.
Joe
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/27/2007
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Great thanks, Nacho!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/27/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Andre! And also for the idea of a B&W for this. Well, let's see what it could look like, though of course color conversion is not equal to B&W film. What do you think? I find it "old-fashioned" in a very nice way.
As about the flow, well, of course the mechanism of directional mass transportation in liquid flow is completely different than that of plant grow. In flow of a liquid the particles (molecules) really move, they have a great velocity component in transportation direction. In growth however the particles (cells) do not move so much in the transportational direction. New ones are simply added at the momentary front.
But one can *formally* "collect" all new cells that are added at the front and think of the whole as if there were a real mass transportation - in the sense that the new cell that is added to the front corresponds to the flow of its predecessor one position ahead to the new front, the flow of the pre-predecessor to the position of the predecessor, and so on. This way we can then create the "transportation equation", solve it *and* translate our results back to the growth mechanism. So, formally, it can be thought as a kind of flow.
I hope I answered in an understandable way, but feel free to ask anything you might find ununderstandable.
Have a nice weekend,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/27/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Joe!
A very intersting link with world maps of what the earth looked like in many different geological ages, and also of what it will look like in a far far future. Take a look, it is amazing!
http://www.scotese.com/
and especially:
http://www.scotese.com/earth.htm
for the maps. Just click on the left side to get a view of the different ages.
This one http://www.scotese.com/future2.htm is for the world in 250000000 years.
What comes next? Pressumably a new division in different continents but nobody knows really yet.
All the best too,
Nick
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Jose Ignacio (Nacho) Garcia Barcia
{K:96391} 1/27/2007
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amazing. great compsoition. superb. 7++++++++
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/27/2007
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Thank you very much for the nice comment, Gennaro!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 1/27/2007
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Hi Nick,
Yet another that could also qualify in the Patterns of Nature category. Is it true as with the wood and water, that this is just another very slow "flow"?
A lot of these mountain images will lend themselves very well to B&W (I'm sure you have many that way too)
This one would look great in B&W
Andre
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Joe Brown
{K:23213} 1/27/2007
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Great shot Nick and interesting geological information. I understand if you wait long enough the world will consist of only one continent.
All the best.
Joe
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Gennaro Manna
{K:21301} 1/26/2007
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wow!! fantastic, great exposure and detail...congrats
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