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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/19/2009
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Oh, but there are enough good introductory books and other materials, and the "fear" ion front og mathematics soon proves to be unnecessary. It is a language, Saad. If you can learn English the you can learn also mathematics. (English is actually harder to learn! ;-))
Aboit the theory you speak about, you must be thinking of calculas, or am I wrong? Actually it was developed more or less at the same time by Newton and Leibniz. And you are completely right, the history of science os quite an excitement to read too. Fascinating, really!
Cheers!
Nick
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Saad Salem
{K:89003} 1/18/2009
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Hi Nick,what I know from my last reading that all the sciences are based on mathematics,especially physics,even the most and even all the theories of physics want be discovered with out a well knowledge of mathematics,so for me ,I really do not like X and Y,by themselves,it is very stiff subject,and need a very efficient and malleable mind to handle,so I rather say it clear,if mathematic is something else then I am not with it,I rather to read all my readings with out X and Y,yet I like to read how it evolved and its discoveries,for instance they said Newton has discovered some theory,but I haven't read or heard from anyone that the ambassador of Brosia or Germany at London at that time has discovered the same theory,I do not know the exact word for it,but it is the theory of how to calculate the sizes of any bizarre shape,like teapot for example,my regards,
Saad.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 1/17/2009
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Hmmm... talking about such things without "X and Y" is distorting them to something "naively understandable", Saad. And the cosmos is definitely *not* naively understandable. While it is really good to deal with such things, I have the impression that many times such books simply oversimplify everything. But there are also good exceptions. Like for example The Feynman Lectures on Physics.
Mathematics is something else. ;-)
Cheers!
Nick
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Saad Salem
{K:89003} 12/26/2008
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Nick,I do like those subjects of physics,weak,and strong forces,relativity,black holes,and time,
yes,but I select the books that talk about them with out involving in X and Y,just a talk, with no numbers and equations,and I do not know if you agree with me that all these subjects are mathematics,
cheers,
Saad.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 12/26/2008
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I guess you are more a mathematician than you assume for yourself, Saad! ;-) The interest for such things is the best way to face them.
But "hidden" it is not. It is a concept made by human thought. It is like when you take a shower and look down at your feet, and you see... symmetry! ;-) Or almost symmetry.
Cheers!
Nick
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Saad Salem
{K:89003} 12/25/2008
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well I know now what you mean now,
being not a mathematician,I have said that on a wrong basis,I thought of it as you are facing your monitor,and looking stright at it,it is devided into two symmetrical halfs,the symmetry for me not in mind ,but what I see,I haven't thought of the hidden symmetry,at least till now,
Saad.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 12/25/2008
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And... which is this angle, Saad?
Projective geometry makes any angle exactly as well fitted, except perhaps if looking parallel to the plane of the window itself and standing in that plane too. Once the concept of symmetry is born in one's mind, it is there under any angle.
Which of course doesn't relly mean much for a photography, as there must be angles under which the visualisation of symmetry is supported better. So, what angle would that be?
Cheers!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 12/25/2008
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Symmetry is only defined within a single system, Saad. The window has it. The flowers as a system... well, it *almost* has it. This "almost" is the interesting thing.
Take some flower, some sunflower for example. Sn symmetry, where n is the number of petals - but not exactly. Only "almost" Sn. The "mirror plane σ in the attachment divides the window in two halfs each of which is identically transformable to the other by... mirroring. The flowers... well almost but nit really.
Cheers!
Nick
Or take the flowers (as a whole) here. Almost a plane of mirror symmatry but not really.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 12/25/2008
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Aziz!
Cheers!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 12/25/2008
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Thanks a lot Jacques!
Cheers!
Nick
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Saad Salem
{K:89003} 12/21/2008
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to show the symmetry of the windos,the perspective should be consistent with angle that show the symmetry,isn't it,
cheers,
Saad.
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Saad Salem
{K:89003} 12/21/2008
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the single have symmetry within itself,that yes for sure,I have understands that from your (windowS)in your about ,so I thought it may be the flowers you mean in this particular photo,
I always see the symmetry in every thing,the amazing thing in this universe ,how this symmetry cames from pure chaos,
cheers,
Saad.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 12/21/2008
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Thanks once again, Dave!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 12/21/2008
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So a single window has no symmetry, Saad? And the many flowers do?
Look again.
Cheers!
Nick
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aZiZ aBc
{K:28345} 12/21/2008
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It's a lovely joyful image with beautiful colors of flowers, nice shadows and good straight lines of window ( vs branches) .
Regards
Aziz
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jacques brisebois
{K:73883} 12/21/2008
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interesting composition and perfectly tittled and analysed
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Dave Stacey
{K:150877} 12/20/2008
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Nicely composed, Nick!
Dave.
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Saad Salem
{K:89003} 12/20/2008
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there is only one window Nick,I am afraid you mean the symmetry of the flowers,
cheers ,
Saad.
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