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Photographer Hugo de Wolf  Hugo de Wolf {Karma:185110}
Project #38 Photo Help Camera Model Pentax ME Super
Categories Others
Florals
Film Format
Portfolio The Dutch Files
Lens Pentax 50mm with Macro converter
Uploaded 4/29/2004 Film / Memory Type Fuji  Superia
    ISO / Film Speed 400
Views 1201 Shutter 1/60
Favorites Aperture f/2.8
Critiques 41 Rating
5.31
/ 13 Ratings
Location City -  The Hague
State - 
Country - Netherlands   Netherlands
About I'm not particulary fond of floral photos, as I always think I've seen them all, but every now and then, there is a fresh and original floral shot between them, which I do find fantastic. As a tribute to those people on UF who can even make a floral tick, I found one of my first triptyches ever... ;o) To Lori Stitt, as promised, and for her continuous innovation in florals....

All comments are, as usual, more than welcome,

Cheers,

Hugo.

PS: As promised, this photo was not edited, other than could've done with conventional darkroom techniques. Still, I think I need a lot of help, here....;o)
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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 1/23/2006
Thanks, Ray, that's always wonderful to hear (about my triptyches, that is) Must be tough to have to let go of all that fantastic equipment you described due to physical reasons. I'm sure we'll be in touch!

Cheers,

Hugo

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stingRay pt.4 . stingRay pt.4 .   {K:250401} 1/20/2006
Hi Hugo...just returning your call. I am in awe of your portfolio and recognise it as the labours of a photographer who takes the subject seriously.
I have opened up several trios and had a good look around, FANTASTIC!

I, on the other hand, am a fun photographer these days. I suffer constantly from sciatica which prevents me from getting out with my camera very often and my thumbs and some fingers are cursed with arthritus. I have had to use light weight equipment and at times use it badly I fear. I too used to have quite a collection of cameras...Leicas 111a and 111g, a pair of Rolleiflexs and up until ten years ago a Canon 1N with several L series lenses. The weight of this equipment gradually became too much and everything went into a decline. So, photography for fun for me, socialise with UF members and enjoy their work. Well done to you Hugo it is lovely to see such devotion to the art and great to enjoy that which you produce...Take care, best wishes to you and I will 'see' you again...just call me Ray......Ray

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神 風 神 風   {K:10665} 5/2/2004
'3'

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Lori Stitt   {K:75282} 4/29/2004
Hugo, I am waiting with 'baited breath'!!! LOL

:)

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Kees and Carolyn    {K:15193} 4/29/2004
Well, Hugo, it looks pretty good to me! I don't think I've never taken a photo of a flower in my life (though I enjoy looking at pretty flower photos) so there won't be any advice coming from me! I'm looking forward to seeing your other two!
Carolyn

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Neil, Rest assured, I'm not into florals... It's not a one timer, but they will probably never be my main subject. Like you, I'm still searching for that subject, but the few months I've been active at UF have taught me alot....

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Joćo, Thank you very much for your comment. I promise you, as I promised Lori, that I will shoot some "new" florals soon. But that might take a while, and for now, you'll have to do with the two that are still due to conclude the triptych....

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Lori, You? Speechless?....;o) ROTFL! I did warn you in advance....;o) I promise you I'll shoot a new floral series soon... But in the mean time, there are two more to come....

Cheers,

Hugo

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Neil Dolman   {K:26883} 4/29/2004
Hi Hugo, Didn't know you were into florals? I've been reading the discussion with interest and just wanted to say i think it's good to force yourself to approach different subjects and new challenges. This is surely the way to become an allrounder and a better photographer. I'm still looking for the subject that i can photograph the best :-) My best wishes, Neil

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Joćo Martins   {K:2754} 4/29/2004
Hi Hugo,
You also do florals! Ok ok, I saw that you did that 5 years ago.
After 2 months of UF, now I "see" things in such a way... completely different from the beginning. I have to say thanks to all of you at UF.
What I mean with all of this "crap words" is that I agree with Lori, and I think you should try to do florals now. Whenever you comment florals, you can "see" important details, so, I'm sure if you try, you will do a GREAT SHOT!
Ok, if you don't want to do it for you, please, do it for all of us, your UF friends!! You'll see that WE'll all say THANKS HUGO!
Cheers

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Jani Salvataggio   {K:27283} 4/29/2004
Great macro!
regards
Jani

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WALT MESK   {K:10691} 4/29/2004
tutte le volte che vedo la prima delle tre che arriveranno....il mio pensiero va gia' alle altre.
sono davvero curioso.....e adoro il tuo modo di mostrare 3 scatti a tema.
questa č molto bella.....ciao.
walt.

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Lori Stitt   {K:75282} 4/29/2004
Hi Hugo,

LOL....I am honored!!!

Thank you! And for once in my life I feel speechless.

But not for long I assure you! I've read a lot of these comments, and I see where you took this 5 years ago!! Here is your assignment...go shoot some new ones!! I know you can do much better, remember that awesome blossom you posted on one of mine??? :) :)

...and I said I was speechless? LOL

Kind regards dear Hugo,
Lori :)

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M. Tigrek   {K:2298} 4/29/2004
Dear Hugo,
Very nice colors lighting and composition.
I also like DOF.
My best regards.

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Dan, thanks for the advise. Very useful!

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Dan Lightner   {K:12684} 4/29/2004
I like the black background Hugo but I think this image needs to be cropped closer or have more DOF. The focus is sharp in places but not enough to hold my attention.A tighter crop might isolate more of the sharpness
Dan

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Tom,

Thanks once more for your comment! I absolutely agree with Farides comment; if you can't put your heart into it, even the most simple and familiar object won't come out as planned.

Some background info: I shot this photo about 5 years ago, as I was very bored, and started clicking away, as I needed my camera loaded with a B&W film. Not really into it, just trying to dispose of the last few shots. If I only knew then what Faride made me realise today....;o)

As to your tweak, I like the slightly higher level of details in the petals. I should also reconsider the use of the frame, as I don't think this photo needs one.

Thanks!

Cheers,

Hugo

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tom rumland tom rumland   {K:14874} 4/29/2004
hi hugo, i've been reading all the comments here and i have to agree with a few of them. specially faride's comment. i can't shoot people for the life of me and i think he hit it in the head. i'm not "passionate" about photos of people. they don't do anything for me. because of that i don't have the eye or the inclination to shoot them (with a camera) myself. ;^) (just a joke folks).

regardless, i've tried shooting flowers before with very questionable results. you'll get to see one of mine later this week. i'm ashamed just thinking about it ;^)

i was wondering about the possible ways to process this image and i gave it a whirl. in looking at your submission i thought that increasing the shadows would help it a bit and would allow the use of less unsharp mask. the result isn't much different than yours but strangely enough i achieved it in a different way. go figure. this was based on the small original you posted. using elements, i adjusted backlighting (+20 darker), auto contrast, and unsharp mask (20%, radius 1, threshold 5). no saturation added. what do you think?

tom

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Biliana, I focused it on the stamen, and the top petal, which is roughly at the same distance, also seems in focus....;o) Thanks for your encouraging comment!

Cheers,

Hugo

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B:)liana    {K:30945} 4/29/2004
I like the composition and the drops dear Hugo. ANd the flower is special in its own way and beauty even blur as it is! Where did you focus it!?! Why would you change it. It is not so sharp, but has its artistical value my dear. So, no sharp or unsharp mask no more ha h a.
Kiss, Biliana

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Faride, good point you make. I think it is the lack of commitment / connection to the subject that causes a creative block... There are two more to come, which I think are slightly better. Thanks for your constructive comment, Faride! As always, I appreciate it alot!

Cheers,

Hugo

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Faride Valigholizadeh   {K:496} 4/29/2004
Hi Hugo
it?s nice to see you trying to make some variation by creating something completely different. But i personally think if your feeling is not involved in what you?ve created as you explained that you are not fond of floral photos (I?m not either), somehow it would be appear and reflex in those images too, although it?s beautiful.
Maybe I?m wrong???..
If you ask my opinion i would say try some more various directions. Possibly you would find your talent there more than you can even imagine.

Best regards

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Roberto Arcari Farinetti Roberto Arcari Farinetti   {K:209486} 4/29/2004
hello Hugo..
one beautiful macro! a lot detailed and saturates of colors! Perhaps IMHO but is too much sharpness! it makes to too much shoot the yellows. like saying that it is I saturate!! cheers
roby

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Gerhard, Mag ik jou opmerkingen over Doka technieken citeren in een postje voor het forum?

Groeten,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Maria, thanks for your comment. I have a different opinion about the unsharpen mask thing. I think I used the unsharpen mask too excessively, together with the colour saturation.... See also my comment to Paolo.

Cheers,

Hugo

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Maria Luisa Vial   {K:36017} 4/29/2004
Hi Hugo,

I like the hte angle in which you took this picture and the lighting... I've been comparing your orignal scan with the picture, and as you say the original did not help you much. I agree with everybody, the use of the unsharpen mask in PS will have helped a lot, but it takes a lot of time though...

Sincerely,

Maria

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Gerhard Hoogterp   {K:4863} 4/29/2004
I know that unsharpen could be done in a wet environment, but so are almost all techniques which PS provides. It just depends on how much time you want to spend on it and it's way more difficult. For my feeling basic retouch, burn and dodge plus some color correction is what I would consider the darkroom stuff. Unsharpen feels a bit on the edge there.. Anyhow.. It's no really a comment, more that I Was suppriced to see it as doka-compatible technique..

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Gerhard, Interesting point: Unsharpen in a dark room....Well yes, I think so. Maybe not the actual unsharpen mask, but there obviously is a difference between analogue darkroom techniques and digital darkroom techniques. I occasionally do some B&W printing (analogue), and I think you can create a similar effect to PS Unsharpen mask, but I'm not a real expert. Thanks for your comment,

Cheers,

Hugo

PS: Dappere Poging. Klinkt goed! Het idee om een floral te uploaden komt eigenlijk van jouw.... Ik zal je zo in m'n onderschrift toevoegen, of wil je een eigen plaatsje in een van de Triptych foto's?

Groeten,

Hugo

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Gerhard Hoogterp   {K:4863} 4/29/2004
Alles is eigenlijk al gezegt.. Onscherpte, te veel verscherpt (unsharpen ook in de doka??) maar de compositie en de DOF zijn fraai. Het idee is goed.
Dappere poging!

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Following Paolo's suggestion, here's the untouched (only resized) original scan.... If you look closely, you'll notice the poor quality of it...

Cheers,

Hugo

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Paolo De Maio   {K:34932} 4/29/2004
After i have seen your start point (original file)
I can affirm: I'm not able to do a work like you done!
My best compliments
P.s.: Thank you for you kind comment to mine, I appreciated it a lot!
Paolo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Paolo, English is a foreign language for me too....;o) I was just wondering what else you would've done to tweak this shot, both technically as well as from an aesthetical point of view...

I'm always game for a discussion...;o)

Cheers,

Hugo

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Paolo De Maio   {K:34932} 4/29/2004
Hugo I haven't read your rečply to Teunis becasue my typed english is not brilliant like yours and I don't know a word of your foreign language.
In my intention was to start with a technique discussion.
Now I understand exactly what you means.
Paolo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Hi Paolo, From your comment, I gather you read the Unsharpen mask from the comment I wrote to Teunis?

I have a feeling the burned out spots are created by an exaggerated use of unsharpen mask (and saturation, rather than a lack thereof. The negative was rather dusty, and there where alot of scan lines throughout the photo. I tried to remove as many as I could by tweaking the levels, but that resulted in a loss of tonal range. (can you imagine how bad the original scan was?)

I started with this one, as it is the least balanced photo (composition wise) of the three, as well as the one with the lowest quality.

Maybe I should dodge / burn it some more....

Cheers,

Hugo

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Paolo De Maio   {K:34932} 4/29/2004
As usual you right Hugo
It could improve by using the unsharp mask and working hard on highkey.
It could be necessary to remove the superficial dust from the film.
I think this could be a good idea to start with a technique discussion.
What do you think Hugo?
Paolo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Dank je Riny, Heb je nog tips hoe ik een en ander kan verbeteren? Voel me met bloemen niet echt een vis in het water....

Groeten,

Hugo

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Riny  Koopman   {K:19998} 4/29/2004
ja hugo ik moest er wel om lachen toen ik deze
compositie zag,omdat je niets met bloemen gemeen heb
boemen houden van mensen,mensen houden van bloemen
groet-riny

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 4/29/2004
Dag Teunis, dank je voor je commentaar, Volgens mij is het probleem met deze bloem de overdreven "Unsharpen Mask", de meeldraden zijn volgens mij haarschrep... Ik kan je niet beloven dat ik vaker met bloemen kom, het zal ook zeker nog wel een tijdje duren. Het is niet echt mijn type foto, maar dat zal je wel begrepen hebben.

Groeten,

Hugo

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神 風 神 風   {K:10665} 4/29/2004
Somewhat of an accurate title ... but a bit over-exaggerated don't you think? ... LOL!

Peace!

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Teunis Haveman Teunis Haveman   {K:53426} 4/29/2004
Hallo Hugo, voor de orginaliteit en het gebaar naar LORI geef ik je een 7.
Over de foto zelf, ik vind hem als Macro goed.
De compositie is ook goed , maar ik mis de power van deze bloem, de druppels geven hem een apparte sfeer en vergoeden dat de bloem niet scherp is.
Hugo kom vaker met een bloem(en) wnat die houden van mensen en andersom.
Groet Teunis

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Peggy Christine Skinner Peggy Christine Skinner   {K:26936} 4/29/2004
Very simplistic and such a detraction from your usual intricate work but appealing none the less. Nice capture of dew drops.

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